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The After Show
In the latest episode of The After Show, hosts dive into Shawn Kanungo's thought-provoking session at our Smart Action AI Event
KEY TAKEAWAYS (an AI-Output with Hallucinations)
MY #1 USED AI TOOL
Wispr Flow - I don’t type anymore, I just voice everything
AI AGENTS & AGentic workflows
Atlas - AI Browser by OpenAI
n8n - Workflow automation
Cursor - Coding agent
Comet by Perplexity - Best Agentic Browser - browse the internet with AI and get stuff done
Lindy - Build an AI agent - great for AI automation
LLM
Gemini 3 - The Best LLM on the planet right now
OpenAI’s Deep Research - Absolutely the best research tool out there right now
Manus - Most comprehensive AI agent in my opinion
Claude Skills - Claude Skills is the best skills agent - this allows to be more deterministic with your agents.
Grok 4 - Equivalent to o3 from ChatGPT - awesome for X data
Text-to-App
Lovable - Build any app with agentic reasoning (best at front-end)
v0 by Vercel - Text-to-Webpage (really good front-end)
Replit - Idea-to-App (best for full app)
Text-to-IMAGE/VIDEO
Midjourney - Best for pictures and video
HeyGen - AI Video Avatar
Runway - Text to Video
Google’s Nano Banana Pro - Best Image Generator
Research & other
NotebookLM - Research and the two AI podcast hosts that you see above :)
Google AI Studio - Real-time AI co-presence
Clay - AI Outbound Sales | Generating lists of emails and sending cold outreach
Briefing: Innovation, AI, and the Agentic Era
Executive Summary
This document synthesizes key insights from a presentation on the disruptive force of Artificial Intelligence. The central argument is that society is transitioning from the generative AI phase into a far more powerful "agentic era," a 100x to 1000x leap where autonomous, always-on AI agents will unlock extraordinary value and redefine business operations. This technological shift poses a greater threat to personal and professional identity than to jobs, demanding a fundamental willingness to self-disrupt and detach from past successes. The future will be dominated by organizations at two extremes: the hyper-efficient and "frictionless" (e.g., Amazon) and the deeply human-centric and "friction-filled" (e.g., Four Seasons), with the middle becoming a "black hole of mediocrity." Concurrently, AI's ability to create sophisticated deepfakes signals the "end of trust," making human judgment and the ability to know when to ignore AI the most critical skills. The ultimate call to action is for individuals and leaders to overcome fear through direct engagement with the technology—to "work scared until you become scary"—and build "agentic enterprises" designed around human strengths, scaled by AI.
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1. The Dawn of the Agentic Era
The current discourse around AI, marked by its ubiquity in corporate communications, is the prelude to a more profound transformation. The last three years focused on generative AI for content creation, but the next phase will be defined by autonomous AI agents.
• From Generative to Agentic: The evolution is from tools that assist with tasks like summarizing conversations and refining emails to an "agentic Revolution" focused on creating and capturing value. The speaker projects this shift will be "100 to a thousand x" more impactful than the generative AI revolution.
• Defining AI Agents: An AI agent is described as a technology that is "always on," works 24/7, and "never sleeps." These agents are distinct from simpler large language model workflows and will be the primary drivers of "extraordinary value for organizations."
• The Fever Pitch: The intensity of the AI conversation is highlighted by the example of Google CEO Sundar Pichai, who mentioned the word "AI" 34 times at a developers conference, leading to a $37 billion increase in Google's stock value.
2. Practical Applications and Demonstrations
The presentation included several live demonstrations to illustrate the current capabilities of AI, emphasizing that the most valuable skill is now simply conceiving an idea.
Demonstration
Tools Used
Outcome & Key Insight
Onboarding Platform
Gemini 3, Loveable
Created a "Netflix style onboarding platform" for the Fort McMurray Airport Authority, demonstrating that AI can build both front-end and back-end capabilities rapidly. The speaker noted, "this is absolutely ridiculous that you can do this today."
AI Agent
Proprietary
Developed an "always on" AI agent for the Fort McMurray Chamber of Commerce that could answer complex questions about the region's economy and its appeal for families, and even translate its response into Japanese.
Marketing Campaign
Midjourney, Gemini, Runway, Final Cut Pro
Replicated a Gucci marketing campaign by taking a photo of the speaker's wife and inserting her into a professionally styled video ad, complete with a Gucci handbag and jacket.
A key strategic point raised was the use of synthetic data—realistic but fake data—as one of the "safest ways of using AI." This allows organizations to experiment with any AI tool, regardless of its origin (e.g., China, Russia), without risking sensitive proprietary information.
3. The Redefinition of Work, Skill, and Power
The AI revolution is causing a fundamental shift in the nature of work, the value of knowledge, and the source of professional power.
• Impact on Jobs: The speaker asserts that while AI will "absolutely" take some jobs, it will primarily automate tasks that "humans could never do," such as a 24/7 reconciliation of receipts or a continuous audit. The fear of widespread job loss is described as "incredibly overhyped," citing a Microsoft study that identified a "dredge operator" as the safest job in an AI world.
• The Obsolescence of "Knowledge is Power": The long-held belief that knowledge is power is no longer valid "when everyone has an AI copilot." Power has shifted to intrinsic human qualities:
• The Age of Infinite Leverage: Individuals and organizations now operate in a world of "infinite leverage," able to utilize freelancers, software, media, large language models, and AI agents to accomplish tasks.
• Overcoming Fear Through Immersion: Fear of AI is directly correlated with a lack of experience. Individuals who immerse themselves in the technology become empowered and see possibilities rather than threats. The core advice is:
4. The Crisis of Trust and the Human Imperative
While powerful, AI introduces profound societal challenges, primarily by eroding the foundation of trust.
• AI Marks the "End of Trust": The proliferation of sophisticated deepfakes, scams, and synthetic relationships creates a world where it is increasingly difficult to distinguish between what is real and what is AI-generated. This degradation of trust is presented as one of the deepest negative implications of AI.
• Historical Context of Technological Fear: Today's fear of AI is contextualized with historical fears of new technologies, including bicycles (believed to cause "bike face" in women), telephones, radio waves, and television. The distinction is that with AI, the fear should be directed not at the technology itself, but "at some of the people that are using the technology."
• The Power of Ignoring AI: A critical future skill will be knowing when to rely on human intuition, creativity, and innovation over AI's data-driven conclusions.
5. The Dichotomy of Friction: Efficiency vs. Experience
Technology's drive toward maximum efficiency is creating a transactional, dopamine-driven culture that devalues human connection. The proposed solution is a conscious reintroduction of "friction."
• The Problem with Hyper-Efficiency: The pursuit of turning everything into its "most efficient form" — from food delivery to journalism (clickbait) and relationships (swiping on screens) — sucks out context, deep thinking, and trust. This raises the baseline expectations of users, as exemplified by the speaker's children complaining about the "slow" generation of a novel AI image.
• Bringing the "F Word" Back: The speaker advocates for bringing back "friction" — experiences that are "meaningful and magical and memorable and awe-inspiring." The anecdote of getting a landline phone illustrates a desire to reintroduce the "micro-interaction with another human being" that has been engineered out of modern communication.
• Two Winning Organizational Models: In the future, only two types of organizations will thrive:
1. Fast and Frictionless: Companies that are incredibly efficient and transactional (e.g., Amazon, Timu, McDonald's).
2. Slow and Friction-Filled: Companies that intentionally slow things down to focus on experience, craftsmanship, and human connection (e.g., Four Seasons, Hermès). Organizations caught in the middle will be in the "black hole of mediocrity."
6. Call to Action: Self-Disruption and the Agentic Enterprise
The ultimate challenge posed by AI is not technological but personal and organizational. It demands a willingness to reinvent oneself and redesign organizations around human-centric principles.
• The Threat to Identity: The AI revolution is difficult because "it's not threatening jobs. It's threatening our identity." The knowledge, experience, and status built over a career are being questioned by this new technology.
• The Necessity of Self-Disruption: The crucial step is to detach from past achievements.
• Building the Agentic Enterprise: For the first time, technology allows for the scaling of unique human gifts and strengths. An agentic enterprise is not about being AI-first; it is about putting "humans at the core" and designing the organization around people, not processes. AI becomes the tool that powers this human-centric model.
• The Final Message: Progress in this new era is not for the comfortable, but for those willing to act in the face of uncertainty.
The AI Revolution:
Generative AI's Potential: Shawn highlights how AI, especially generative AI, is transforming work by democratizing it. He draws parallels with the internet's impact on knowledge, emphasizing that AI will revolutionize how tasks are performed.
Generative AI Era (2023-2024)
• Shawn recaps how ChatGPT launched in late 2022 and captured the world’s attention.
• 2023 and 2024 became the era of “generative AI,” with widespread use of tools like ChatGPT for writing, image generation, deep fakes, etc.
Transition to 2025: The Agentic Era
• The speaker asserts that the “generative AI revolution” is now “over.”
• We’re entering a new wave in 2025, referred to as the “agentic” revolution, or the agentic era.
• Key premise: AI agents will be the next huge disruptor, providing 10x to 1000x the value of generative AI alone.
Why Agents?
• An agent is software that can autonomously perform tasks on behalf of humans—mimicking what human employees might do but never sleeping or stopping.
• Nvidia’s CEO Jensen Huang repeatedly referenced “agents” in his CES talk, highlighting their importance.
Agents as the New Conversational Layer
• In the ’90s, businesses needed websites.
• In the 2000s-2010s, businesses needed apps and social media channels.
• In 2025 and beyond, agents will become a critical “conversational layer” for organizations (internally and externally).
• Companies will race to build their own brand-specific AI agents, and the challenge will be how to differentiate those agents.
AI marks "the end of trust" as it becomes harder to distinguish between AI-generated and human-created content. Shawn warns about the erosion of trust due to AI's ability to create indistinguishable deep fakes and simulations.
Shift from Knowledge Workers to Value Creators: As AI becomes more embedded in businesses, the most valuable jobs will no longer be knowledge-based but will center around creating value in new and innovative ways. Leaders must focus on being innovators, not just managing efficiencies
We live in an age of "infinite leverage" where individuals can do more with less using various tools and resources.
AI as a Starting Point: The concept "the end is now the beginning" highlights a shift in how we approach creative and development processes. Rather than seeing AI-generated outputs as final products, they are considered starting points that inspire and guide further human creativity.
AI is the next communication layer: Just like the internet, websites, and apps, AI agents will become ubiquitous, transforming how we interact with clients and information. Kanungo predicts, "By the end of next year, every company in this room will have one AI agent or multiple or hundreds."
Iterative Creation: By generating numerous initial ideas or drafts using AI, the creative process becomes iterative. This allows for a broad exploration of possibilities before honing in on the final deliverable through human refinement and creativity.
Rapid Prototyping: The example of generating a hundred websites, apps, or analyses with the help of AI emphasizes the efficiency and speed with which initial concepts can be developed. This rapid prototyping accelerates the innovation cycle.
Creative Catalyst: AI serves as a catalyst for innovation by providing a multitude of starting points. It breaks the traditional linear progression of project development and encourages a more dynamic and flexible approach
AI-Driven Efficiency: Tools like Midjourney can generate multiple creative options for advertisements in seconds, providing companies with the flexibility to test and optimize their campaigns efficiently
The Concept of DEEPLY CARING:
Reliability and genuine care are foundational to building trust, both in technology and human interactions.
Exceptional service goes beyond basic expectations, creating memorable experiences that differentiate a business.
Personalized attention and proactive problem-solving significantly enhance customer satisfaction and loyalty.
Investing in employee well-being and growth fosters a positive work culture, leading to increased job satisfaction and performance.
Recognizing and valuing employees' contributions, even extending to their families, can create strong emotional connections to the workplace.
Empowerment is a two-pronged approach: providing cutting-edge tools (like AI) and demonstrating deep care for individuals.
Genuine care is a strategic business advantage, driving both customer retention and employee innovation.
Creating a culture of care can transform service delivery, employee engagement, and ultimately, business outcomes.
The ripple effect of care extends beyond immediate interactions, influencing long-term relationships with both customers and employees.
Innovation thrives in environments where individuals feel valued, supported, and equipped with the right tools.
Care for Employees = Care for Customers: Organizations that deeply care for their employees tend to deliver superior customer service, as employee satisfaction directly translates to customer trust and satisfaction
The Importance of Human-Centered Leadership
People Over Projects: A leadership philosophy that prioritizes people, such as letting employees take vacations despite client demands, fosters loyalty and long-term value for the business.
High-Agency Cultures: Empowering people by combining technological tools with people-centric care creates "high-agency" employees who are proactive, innovative, and committed to the company’s mission.
The Concept of Friction:
He advocates for maintaining trust through human-centric, meaningful, and memorable experiences.
Bringing Back Friction: In an increasingly frictionless world, Shawn argues for the value of friction in creating deeper, more authentic connections. He stresses that community management companies, unlike tech companies, thrive on trust and relationships, not just efficiency.
In a frictionless world, we need more friction.
Companies will win by being either extremely frictionless or extremely human - the middle ground is "the black hole of mediocrity."
Are you willing to look like a joke?
Shawn suggests that true innovation requires embracing uncertainty and discomfort - what he calls "the darkness." This idea challenges the common view that innovation is solely about achieving specific outcomes or results.
By focusing on identity rather than outcomes, Kanungo seems to be advocating for a mindset shift. He's suggesting that being an innovator is more about who you are and how you approach challenges, rather than just what you produce. This approach emphasizes qualities like curiosity, resilience, and willingness to take risks.
The question "Are you willing to be the innovator?" is provocative. It asks whether one is ready to:
Embrace uncertainty and potential failure
Challenge established norms and ways of thinking
Cultivate a mindset of continuous learning and experimentation
Persist in the face of setbacks and criticism
This perspective on innovation as an identity rather than just a process or outcome can be empowering. It suggests that anyone can be an innovator if they're willing to adopt certain attitudes and behaviors, regardless of their specific role or industry.
Disruption and Self-Disruption:
Leaders need to be willing to disrupt themselves.
Innovation isn't about thinking, it's about acting. It involves deliberately exposing yourself to challenges and suffering.
Small experiments and actions are key to starting the disruption process.
Embracing Innovation's Challenges
The Willingness to Look Foolish
True innovation requires embracing uncertainty and discomfort ("the darkness")
Focuses on identity rather than just outcomes
Requires qualities like curiosity, resilience, and risk-taking
Innovation as Universal Responsibility
Not a separate department but a mindset for everyone
Continuously asking how to improve
The Most Valuable Question
"What will you start today that scares you?"
Begins changing your story and challenging limits
Self-Disruption
The greatest challenge isn't scaling up (0 to 100)
It's having the courage to disrupt yourself and what's working (100 to 0)
Beyond Mountains
Success shouldn't breed complacency
There are always new heights after reaching what seemed like the summit
To Reach 5×, You Can’t Think 5 % Bigger—You Have to Go to Zero
Take any core process—finance approvals, R&D cycles, vessel maintenance—and ask: If we rebuilt this from scratch with today’s tech, what vanishes? What automates? What now demands more human warmth? Going “to zero” prevents incrementalism from smothering breakthroughs.
The Most Dangerous Person in the Room
It’s not the algorithm or the credentialed expert—it’s the individual who feels the fear, yet moves anyway. Bold + scared beats brilliant + stuck. Be that person, hire that person, partner with that person, and the future tips in your favor.
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