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The After Show

In the latest episode of The After Show, hosts dive into Shawn Kanungo's thought-provoking session at Business Builder Conference 2025

KEY TAKEAWAYS (an AI-Output with Hallucinations)

ai TOOLS THAT SHAWN USES:

  • Lovable - Build any app with agentic reasoning

  • Emergent - Build any app

  • Manus - Most comprehensive AI agent in my opinion

  • OpenAI’s Deep Research - Absolutely the best research tool out there right now

  • Lindy - Build an AI agent - great for AI automation

  • Google AI Studio - Real-time AI co-presence

  • Perplexity - Instead of Googling (I like it because it gives you the sources)

  • v0 by Vercel - Text-to-Webpage

  • Claude 4 Sonnet - Feed data into Claude multi-model trend analysis, code, prototypes and gap identification

  • HeyGen - AI Video Avatar

  • Midjourney - Pictures and graphics (Much better than DALL-E)

  • Clay - AI Outbound Sales | Generating lists of emails and sending cold outreach

  • Figjam - Whiteboarding Ideas | Brainstorming | Organizing

  • Iris.ai or Consensus.app - for Al-powered research exploration

  • NotebookLM - Two AI podcast hosts dissecting my keynote

  • Runway - Text to Video

  • Replit - Idea-to-App

The Evolution of AI

Generative AI Era (2023-2024)

  • ChatGPT launched in late 2022, capturing the world's attention

  • 2023-2024 became defined by "generative AI" with widespread adoption of tools for writing, image generation, and deep fakes

  • AI democratized work similar to how the internet democratized knowledge

Transition to the Agentic Era (2025)

  • The "generative AI revolution" is now considered "over"

  • We're entering the "agentic" revolution in 2025

  • Key premise: AI agents will provide 10x to 1000x the value of generative AI alone

Why Agents Matter

  • Agents are software that autonomously perform tasks on behalf of humans

  • They mimic human employees but never sleep or stop

  • Even Nvidia's CEO Jensen Huang highlighted agents' importance in his CES talk

Agents as the New Conversational Layer

  • 1990s: Businesses needed websites

  • 2000s-2010s: Businesses needed apps and social media

  • 2025 and beyond: Agents will become a critical "conversational layer"

  • Companies will race to build brand-specific AI agents

  • Challenge will be differentiation between agents

Fundamental Shifts in Work and Trust

The End of Trust

  • AI makes it increasingly difficult to distinguish between AI-generated and human-created content

  • Deep fakes and simulations become indistinguishable from reality

  • Trust erosion becomes a significant concern

From Knowledge Workers to Value Creators

  • Most valuable jobs will no longer be purely knowledge-based

  • Focus shifts to creating value in new and innovative ways

  • Leaders must become innovators, not just efficiency managers

Age of "Infinite Leverage"

  • Individuals can accomplish more with fewer resources

  • AI tools enable unprecedented productivity scaling

AI as a New Creative Paradigm

The End is Now the Beginning

  • AI-generated outputs aren't final products but starting points

  • They inspire and guide further human creativity

Iterative Creation

  • Generate numerous initial ideas/drafts using AI

  • Explore possibilities broadly before human refinement

  • Creative process becomes more dynamic and exploratory

Rapid Prototyping

  • Quickly develop initial concepts (websites, apps, analyses)

  • Accelerate the innovation cycle dramatically

  • Example: Generate hundreds of options in seconds (Midjourney for ads)

Innovation Philosophy

Innovation as Identity

  • Innovation isn't just about products or revenue—it's about mindset

  • Key question: "Are you truly willing to be the innovator and suffer through the difficult process?"

  • Practical approaches:

    • Maintain a personal innovation journal

    • Create a "discomfort schedule" for tackling challenging tasks

    • Find an innovation accountability partner

    • Reframe failure as learning through "productive failures"

Think Inside the Box

  • True innovation often means mastering constraints, not ignoring them

  • Like bomb technicians who must be creative within tight safety parameters

  • Implementation strategies:

    • Map your constraints explicitly

    • Run "constraint-focused innovation sessions"

    • Study industry rules deeply before trying to bend them

    • Create "constraint optimization" exercises

    • Learn from adjacent industries with similar constraints

Two-Headed Innovation

  • Requires both mastering current constraints and watching for macro disruptors

  • Practical approaches:

    • Establish a "macro trends watch"

    • Create separate innovation tracks (incremental vs. disruptive)

    • Adopt a "box-hopping" mindset

    • Implement cross-industry learning

    • Conduct "future-back planning" exercises

The Enemies of Innovation

  • Nostalgia: Excessive attachment to past successes

  • Extreme Efficiency: Squeezing out space for innovation

The Power of Deeply Caring

Foundation of Trust

  • Reliability and genuine care build trust in technology and human interactions

  • Exceptional service creates memorable experiences that differentiate businesses

Employee-Customer Connection

  • Organizations that care for employees deliver superior customer service

  • Employee satisfaction directly translates to customer trust

Components of Caring Culture

  • Personalized attention and proactive problem-solving

  • Investment in employee well-being and growth

  • Recognition of contributions (extending to employees' families)

  • Empowerment through tools and genuine concern

Strategic Advantage of Care

  • Drives customer retention and employee innovation

  • Creates ripple effects beyond immediate interactions

  • Fosters environments where individuals feel valued

Human-Centered Leadership

People Over Projects

  • Prioritizing people (e.g., respecting vacation time despite client demands)

  • Builds loyalty and long-term business value

High-Agency Cultures

  • Combining technological tools with people-centric care

  • Creates proactive, innovative employees committed to the company's mission

The Value of Friction

Bringing Back Friction

  • In an increasingly frictionless world, friction creates deeper connections

  • Community management thrives on trust and relationships, not just efficiency

Strategic Positioning

  • Companies will win by being either:

    • Extremely frictionless, OR

    • Extremely human

  • The middle ground is "the black hole of mediocrity"

Embracing Innovation's Challenges

The Willingness to Look Foolish

  • True innovation requires embracing uncertainty and discomfort ("the darkness")

  • Focuses on identity rather than just outcomes

  • Requires qualities like curiosity, resilience, and risk-taking

Innovation as Universal Responsibility

  • Not a separate department but a mindset for everyone

  • Continuously asking how to improve

The Most Valuable Question

  • "What will you start today that scares you?"

  • Begins changing your story and challenging limits

Self-Disruption

  • The greatest challenge isn't scaling up (0 to 100)

  • It's having the courage to disrupt yourself and what's working (100 to 0)

Beyond Mountains

  • Success shouldn't breed complacency

  • There are always new heights after reaching what seemed like the summit

To Reach 5×, You Can’t Think 5 % Bigger—You Have to Go to Zero

Take any core process—finance approvals, R&D cycles, vessel maintenance—and ask: If we rebuilt this from scratch with today’s tech, what vanishes? What automates? What now demands more human warmth? Going “to zero” prevents incrementalism from smothering breakthroughs.

The Most Dangerous Person in the Room

It’s not the algorithm or the credentialed expert—it’s the individual who feels the fear, yet moves anyway. Bold + scared beats brilliant + stuck. Be that person, hire that person, partner with that person, and the future tips in your favor.

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